#Collie Stuff

[soulmusicsongs]

Collie Stuff - The Chosen Few (Collie Stuff - The Chosen Few / Collie Dub - Groovemaster All Stars, 1975)

[purplesaline]

The smooth coat is a dominant gene and the rough coat is a recessive gene.

So if the question is about the modern collies, the answer is "both".

According to unsourced lore I've encountered over the years the smooth coat was sought after in the more southern parts of Scotland where the rough coated dogs would mire easily overheat because of the warmer weather, while the more northern climates preferred the rough coats.

But basically yeah they've both always been present in the modern collie breed. The smooth gene was introduced to the ancestor of the modern collie by an outcross though, likely from the Borzoi.

As the resident collie expert of dogblr, which came first, the rough collie or the smooth collie?

i am most certainly not a collie expert lol but that is flattering. and what a good question! i actually am not sure, so i did a bit of reading and unfortunately the answer kind of seems to be... 🤷

the exact origin of the collie is still a little wobbly - we know that for many centuries collie-type dogs were used in the british isles for sheep herding and farm work, and by the early 1800s there were several different types of collie including the scotch collie, fox collie, welsh collie, and others. and around that time, as dogs-as-pets were becoming very Cool, some people took some of those scotch-type collies and did some selective breeding with other herding dogs (and possibly setters and borzoi and greyhounds depending on who you believe) and created the "modern" collie specifically for show and companion purposes.

however i can't find any source that talks about smooth vs rough specifically - everything just seems to refer to both coat types always being present, starting in the generic collie-type dogs and persisting through the breeds mid-1800s refinement. it looks like smooth collies had separate show classes for themselves as early as the 1870s, which considering collies were first shown in the 1860s definitely indicates that there were plenty of smooths from the start.

it's annoyingly vague (and also none of these places actually cite sources so who knows), but seeing as i cant find anything that says "smooth/rough coat first appeared in year X" or along those lines, i think the answer is that both coat types have always existed together ever since way back in the primordial collie-dog soup. although if anyone out there knows more, i'd love to hear it.

[pespillo]

"dont mess around or else ! else ... ill uhm.. didnt think this through"

[lucky-stick]

🍅🥬farm dog boi🌱🍓🌽

[barksbog]

we checked out the big oaks the last flood knocked over

leon loves to climber things and had a great time being tall

[libbydd]

my completely self indulgent furry clannibal obsession.

[cloudaxolotl07]

Leshy's Blossoming Part 1!

Is Leshy's power and body changing, but for the better or worse?

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[wild-forest-critter]

ok yeah but this is who your asking to do algebra nwea tests the second week of school

[megpricephotography]

Beach Boy! Barney, jumping for joy during a trip to the beach in July of 2012.

[mood-owl]

art for my friend @goodartitude <3

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[dog-thoughts]

anyone else just have a Pinterest board filled with pictures of their theriotype? i just love looking at them and being like oo thats me! it makes my tail go crazy lol

[im-going-to-eat-your-family]

When my friends throw snacks up in the air for me to catch in my mouth>>>>

[purplesaline]

So, like, my smooth collie (which on average are slightly higher energy despite being the same breed as roughs in North America) lays in bed all day with me. I mean he's 12 now but even when he was younger we didn't do regular walks.

To be fair he's a really low energy dog, but even average energy collies do fine on around 3 30-60 minute walks a week with other forms of stimulation (mental or physical) the rest of the week. Scent work, for example, is a great way to tire out a collie.

They do need a Job, but it doesn't have to be a physical one. Collies make great psychiatric service dogs and there's very little physical labour involved with that. Heck you can even teach them to collect laundry from around the house and put it in a basket! Or make sure the cat, or baby, doesn't do something it's not supposed to.

Rough and smooth collies are essentially lightswitch dogs. If you want to be active then they'll happily truck along beside you, but if you're in a couch potato phase they'll be just as pleased to cuddle up with you amd watch TV.

As with all breeds there's gonna be some variation in energy levels, and some rough collies can have energy and drive like a border collie, but a good breeder will be able to match you with a puppy that's got the right energy levels for your needs.

are rough collies good pets for someone who doesnt have a lot of physical labor for them? would walks and a good play routine be enough stimulation? i know theyre a working breed, and ive always wanted one, but i dont have a ton of space at my disposal and certainly no farm. are they as work addicted as border collies are?

i mean, i've got 2 collies and i certainly don't have a farm for them to run on 🤷 collies are a herding breed, but what you need to remember is that they're also a companion breed: the modern collie was developed by taking landrace herding collies and breeding them for show. so you've got a dog that has herding roots, but whose main application over the last century or so has been primarily as a show dog and as a family pet. i hear them get referred to as "decaf herding" or "herding-lite" sometimes, which i think is fair.

IME they're a solidly medium-energy breed; they require more stimulation as teenagers/young adults but they should never be, like, unmanageable. on an average day i do around 40-60 minutes worth of walks (at their pace, so they can sniff and pee and whatever to their hearts content) + i have a yard that i try to spend at least an hour outside every day (weather permitting). not that i'm playing with them for an hour straight, but that will include several minutes of fetch and then me just chilling outside so they can wander around and sniff and stare at the neighbors. they really really like mental exercise, so if you can do training sessions, take them out on errands, use puzzle toys and games, etc that's always super helpful. what i like about collies is that they can go all day if you ask - just last fall i took a trip with stellina and we did 20,000 step days, climbing mountains and eating at restaurants and etc, and she kept up the pace great! and then as soon as we got home, she passed out lol. but she by no means needs to do that regularly. they're very 'weekend warrior,' which i like.

so yeah, it depends on what exactly your routine would be but no they're not high-energy dogs, and while more stimulation and activity will never be turned down, they can also do just fine in suburbia with 1-2 hours of good quality engagement and exercise, IMO. i can't keep up with a high energy dog, but i also sometimes like to take my dog on day-long expeditions, so i find them to be a good match energy-wise for me.

[pespillo]

they would make eachother worse (paternal edition)

[moonshynecybin]

what would you consider essential marc and rosquez watching? i don’t mean races but the stuff happening around it, there seems to be so much and idk where to start 😭

BIG ass question. i think it depends what you want outta this and how you best interact with content slash consume information. for me (not to brag but. winner of multiple historical essay writing competitions in high school. for context on the kind of freak i am bringing to the table here.) the research is kind of the fun part ! like i just started googling shit! i would go to inactive blogs and just search 'marquez' on them to see what would happen ! a lot of the times that works ! but it also takes a lotttt of time lol so i'll chuck some good resources your way, why not...

okay im not sure how basic we're talkin here but um. background. so the documentaries are, i think. the best place to start. theyre entertaining and offer a good amalgamation of clips to provide context for the actual racing. and like i know you de-emphasized racing (which is fine lol who cares) but it really is like the most important thing in the world to these fools and its a pretty visual sport so i think its at least helpful. like yes sepang IS about the press conference, but its also about the conversation they have ON the race track using their motorcycles. which is also somewhat a conversation that they HAVE been having all year long...

i'd start with hitting the apex (2013), its a GREAT introduction to the "characters" that does a lot of legwork to contextualize everything. lays the scene for where vale is at coming into his relationship with marc (both personally, wrt to marco simoncelli, and career-wise concerning his flop at ducati), and also how insane marc's whole deal is in general. the second half is. materially a study on what him entering the premiere class did to the sport as a whole. the introductory chapter in many respects

marc marquez: all in. MY introduction and blissfully free online. marc comma in his own words, with all the implications of that. a self-produced documentary where he is giving feedback about the edit of said documentary straight to camera and no less vulnerable because of it which is very marc imo. revealing both intentionally AND unintentionally about his whole deal with injury, vale, and his image.

motogp unlimited. im gonna be real kind of boring. like i would still watch it ! but do it kind of later, once you know the major players so youre automatically more invested. it doesnt really give you more than marc says himself in all in tbh, and i get the sense him and vale were NAWWWT interested in doing more than the bare minimum for it.

marc's rookie doc. free and subtitled on the youtubes. the first half of this is deadass just him wanting to fuck vale so bad while every comment from vale has me saying GIRL. out loud because the foreshadowing would be genuinely shocking if this was fiction. anyways the laguna seca of it all....

next i would hit up PODCASTS ! i think it makes sense after the documentaries, because these are all podcasts that arent strictly about rosquez (even if they are in many ways the main characters lmao) and personally it helps to put faces to lesser known names that might pop up before i listen to a purely audio product and get lost in the soup of sounds. the paddock pass podcast has two retrospective episodes about the 2015 season that are really good at context, oxley bom pod has a fun recent episode on valentino that i love, again just poke around a lil

videos. these guys have never filmed a lot of content together tragically. what i wouldnt give for someone to make them do an escape room. anyways ranch visit HERE (post explaining the ranch visit here). sepang presscon (sowwy) here. vale unhinged podcast interview the month after marc's documentary came out here. vale retirement interview where he gets asked about marc here. vale talking about asking marc to the ranch here. vale postrace at argentina 2018 here. UCCIO postrace at argentina 2018 here. theres a lot moreeeee just go on my blog archive and filter for rosquez and vids its easier lol

journalism. hello. okay so you should genuinely spend some time reading through mat oxley's stuff he can write (theres a paywall but you can run that shit through wayback machine). he also loves an insane comparison which i do enjoy.... again this is one that can be solved by googling his name and tacking on 'marquez' or 'rossi' or a specific time period or race it will probably reap some dividends. in terms of specific ass articles this one is kind of load bearing in terms of sepang and some of the interpersonal competitive tensions at play. that being said there are manyyyyyy crazy interviews and snippents of articles from other journos floating around motogp tumblr (like literally too many to link) adn its fun to dig around to find them, but mat oxley gets a shoutout because i was reading this article TODAY !

other content. honestly one of the best resources I'VE found for plotting out the arc of their relationship is @kingofthering's everyrosquezpodium series. you can REALLY see it play out lol. also her tagging system rules she very neatly lays out years and races... so if something jumps out at you, CLICK ITTTT ! also all of @ricciardoes fave presscon moments series. insane.

all this to say a small little rpf fandom like this rewards some digging! i would just recommend following narrative threads that interest you ! its also a small fanbase that is pretty research oriented, so if youre ever confused about somethin, just shoot an ask or run a search on someone's blog (@kwisatzworld has endless vale resources and @batsplat is one of the most thorough researchers ive ever seen, for example) like for real theres so much... i also have a primer that i made forever ago that has some links on it so you can peruse that if you so wish. but frankly a lot of it is just using those research muscles and being sufficiently deranged enough to be screenshotting reddit threads at one am so you can post them to tumblr because they mentioned marc and vale in the same sentence and that lit up some of the neurons in your brain

(and i know you said outside of races but i think theyre good benchmarks as turning points soooo you should do some diggin on laguna seca 2013, jerez 2015, argentina 2015, ASSEN 2015, sepang 2015 obvi, argentina 2018, and misano 2019. those are the big tentpoles of insane rosquez relationship drama imo. i mean theres many more but. im limiting myself.)

[kthecritter]

hi again- i accidentally sent a request on your main blog, sorry abt that ^^;

could i have a chromebook wallpaper with border collie puppies, themes of drawing in school (like in notebooks) and rainbow colors that compliment the black and white of the dogs? also the otherkin symbol in there as well, but could you hide it so its harder to see unless you really look? its for school :3

thank you!!!!

-Atla ❄️ ( @wild-forest-critter ) (sorry again!!)

here you go Atla, I hope you enjoy! hopefully the otherkin symbol is hidden enough, I understand lol

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